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cbs. i have a lot of problems with this. >> dana: i am changing my one more thing. can i defend him? i have known john dickerson for a long time and he is a great analyst. i read his original piece, because i know i follow him on "slate at and "cbs. i know that. they should have made it more clear. i thought he was saying this is what president obama is going to need to do to achieve obama stated goals. it wasn't john's personal opinion. that is what i think. >> eric: fair enough. >> dana: there goes my one more thing. >> kimberly: greg, do it. >> greg? me? banned phrase. raised eyebrow. every media hack uses this when they want to raise the phony concern about the topic. they will go this comment on twitter raises eyebrows. the low ratings raised some eyebrows. no, the only thing eyebrows should be raised are fill in this blank some other time. >> bob: cleaning your
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glasses with your tie. on national television. >> kimberly: he doesn't care. weird prop. that is all we have time for. amazing. thank you for being here. see you tomorrow. bye! note ♪ ♪ ♪ >> bret: hillary clinton chokes up and fires back during five hours of congressional testimony. over the attack in benghazi, libya. so what did we learn? this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. amid accusations of a coverup, incompetence and inaction, secretary of state hillary clinton defended her handling of the september 11 assault on the u.s. mission in benghazi, libya, while accepting responsibility as head diplomat.
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we have coverage. brit hume looks at the hearings and the questioners. chief white house correspondent ed henry focuses on what the president was doing during and after the attack. we begin with the chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel. at times, somber and at times combative hillary clinton. good evening. >> bret. good evening. more than four months after the benghazi attack, lawmakers are given a chance to question secretary of state clinton about what went wrong. who is to blame. and how to prevent future attacks like this one. >> days before she is due to leave the post, secretary of state clinton said the september 11 attack on benghazi consulate that led to four americans being killed stopped at her door. >> i said i take responsibility. nobody is more committed to getting this right. i am determined to leave the state department and our country, safer, stronger and more secure. >> clinton showed emotion when she recalled comforting the family and paying respect. >> i stood next to president
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obama as they carried the flag draped caskets off the plane at andrews. i put my arms around the mothers and fathers the sisters and brothers and sons and daughters. >> secretary of state revealed anger when challenged on the administration narrative including ambassador susan rice saying five days after the attack it all started with protest against an anti-islam video. >> the do you disagree to me that a simple phone call to the evacuees to determine what happened would have ascertained immediately there was no protest? that is a piece of information that could have been easily obtained. >> with all due respect we had four due americans was it because of a protest or guys out for a walk one night that decided they'd kill americans? what difference at this point does it make? >> senator rand paul said to her face she failed to do her job. >> i'm glad you are accepting responsibility. i think ultimately with your leaving you accept the
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culpabilitybe since the worst tragedy since 9/11. it really mean that. had i been president at the time and i found you did not read the cables from benj benj - benghazi and from ambassador teachs i would have relieved you from your post. >> hillary clinton said she was aware of the attempt on the life of the british ambassador in benghazi and i.e.d. attack on the consulate wall. but stevens' cables requesting more security never came to her desk. democrats in both hearings and clinton herself referred to what they call congressional cuts in funding for diplomatic security. but others pointed out deputy secretary of state testified that money played no role in level of decision for security in benghazi. >> ms. lamb, you made the decision personally. was there a budget consideration or lack of budget that led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there? >> no, sir. >> they disagreed with that and found that the budget
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issues were at stake. >> she testified under oath -- >> that is why you have an independent group like an arp and why it was created to look at everything. >> everybody has their own -- >> it's important to -- >> arp is the accountability review board led by admiral mike mullen and ambassador pickerring. clinton was asked if she selected susan rice the appear on the five sunday talk shows and said she did not. clinton said she felt like she had a great dole to manage in the aftermath. that should be her priority. doing shauk shows is -- talk shows is not her favorite thing to do. >> mike emanuel live on the hill. thank you. >> look at the aftermath of the attack. chief white house correspondent, ed henry. >> secretary of state hillary clinton still did not shed much light on the central unanswered question about president obama's initial reaction to the tragedy in benghazi. >> what was the president's activities in the seven-hour
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period? >> republican zeroed in on why the administration was not better prepared for the attack on a well-known anniversary and what the president did or did not do to save the four americans in the hours after the initial attack >> on the anniversary of the worst attack in american history, september 11, we didn't have the department of defense forces available for seven hours. two brave americans died in the last hour. >> with fox pressed mr. obama on this in november, he penaled to release any information relevant to investigation. >> i will put forward every bit of information we have. i can tell you that immediately upon finding out, that our folks were in danger, that my orders to my national security team were do whatever we need to do to make sure they are safe. >> today, clinton revealed some details about what happened that night. >> i participated in a secure video conference, of senior officials from the
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intelligence community. the white house and d.o.d. we were going over every possible option, reviewing all that was available to us. any actions we could take. >> though clinton did not specify if the president participated in that secure video conference. focusing instead on the fact that she was in constant contact with the national security advisor tom donelan and others. >> i spoke with president obama later in the evening to bring him up to date, to hear his perspective. obviously, we kept talking with everyone during the night, early in the morning. on the 12th i spoke with general dempsey, again with tom donelan. >> white house spokeman jay carney hedged on specifics about the president. >> i would have to take a question. i don't know. >> thank you. >> also said she spoke later to the president. was that the only time they spoke -- >> gin, i don't know. i don't think, i'm not sure.
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>> senator mccain was asking about the president's role. >> senator mccain made a huge issue out of what i made clear our view is a nonissue. >> over the confusion of the talking points saying the american people deserve the truth. >> you ought to have your facts straight. >> one week after the attacks, carney said the initial information suggested there was concrete evidence it was sparked by protests over video. >> that what we know thus far. based on the evidence, concrete evidence, not the supposition, the concrete evidence we have thus far. >> carney was asked to name the concrete evidence. >> assessment made by the intelligence community based on the information they had. >> now another looming question is how the president can still claim that al-qaeda has been decimateed when there is still clearly a threat in northern africa and elsewhere. today, secretary clinton testified the u.s. clearly wiped out their core, such as usama bin laden but added we can "kill the leaders" and yet
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their affiliates keep growing. bret? >> bret: ed henry live on the north lawn. thank you. get analyst from brit schume on the process of the hearing themselves. >> today's meandering and unfocused hearing on the event in benghazi and the fictitious story told about it afterwards were unfortunately, utterly typical of congressional hearings. there are many reasons. one, witnesses by virtue of their jobs almost always know more about the suggest than the congressional interrogators. most members though they may be lawyers are not experienced cross examiners. the questions ping-pongs back and forth between the two parties. meaning that no one get far with line of questioning before time to change to member of the other party, who can be expected to rush to the witness' defense. most helpful to secretary clinton's cause to appear before both houses. it shortped both hearings. the resulting five-minute turn each member had made developing a line of inquiry
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all the more difficult. add to that, the congressional pension for speech making. consider senator mccain who had been pointing to this day for months. he said out as you heard part of harsh indictment of the whole affair, said secretary clinton's explanation were unacceptable but never questioned on a single question. in the house, laitman listed a series of good questions but never settled on one allowing the witness to pick which one to answer. a smart and tough witness can dominate such hearings. secretary clinton did today. >> bret: we always talk about short questions being the best. that was not the case today? what about today? out of this looking at two hearings, five hours, twa do you think overall comes out of it? >> there are a lot of unanswered questions, still. there are things that she refused to answer. but how far anybody will get pursuing that after today. this was in the eyes of so many people big moment.
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these congressional interrogators did what they often do. they blew it. >> bret: brit, thank you. more on this with the panel. we will talk with the head of the house foreign affairs committee in a few minutes to get his perspective on the clinton testimony. in other news, huge change tonight in the pentagon's policy toward women in combat. on his way out the door, defense secretary leon panetta is opening the door to put women on the front lines. national security correspondent jennifer griffin reports from the pentagon tonight. >> secretary panetta plans to lift the military's ban on women serving in combat, opening thousands of front line combat to women. the ban had been in place since 1994. the service chiefs have until january 2016 to seek exceptions to certain units. the new directive will open more than 230,000 jobs for women in the army and marines. defense officials say the announcement will be made tomorrow. chairman of the armed services committee, senator carl levin welcomed the decision.
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"i support it. it reflects the reality of 21st century military operations." but recent studies found women are neither as strong as men in front line positions and socially they may disrupt the all-male units. elaine donnelly of the center for military readiness warns secretary panetta's decision threatens the tip of the spear unit. >> summarize 30 years of studies and reports, women do not have equal opportunity to survive or to help fellow soldiers survive. >> last october, two women marines were allowed to enter a brutal ten-week test to require strength, endurance and fitness. they both failed. marine captain katie garnered attention last year when she argued against putting women if combat. writing in the "marine corps times," get over it. we are not all created equal. >> we are wearing 75 plus pounds a day.
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definitely took a toll on my body. it took a toll on everyone. however, i found that i broke down and had muscle atrophy and weight loss at a faster weight and noticeable rate than my male marines. i found myself tripping constantly. my legs buckling. falling in fire fights. having a hard time responding to enemy contact as far as my response time from when i initially got to country. >> the pentagon issued a statement tonight saying secretary panetta strongly supports the changes remarking that women contributed so much in the country's recent warring. he described this as being the beginning and not the end for women in the military. expect a formal announcement tomorrow, bret. >> bret: jennifer, thank you. the risk of lung cancer deaths has risen dramatically among women smokers in recent decades. the "new england journal of medicine" say women who smoke now are of greater risk of cancer and chronic lung
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disease than predecessors 20 or 30 years ago. possible reasons? women smoke earlier now and smoke more. news from capitol hill today. house republicans pushed through a debt limit extension with threat of a salary cut off for lawmakers tied to the passing of a budget. chief political correspondent carl cameron on a move that was part legislation, and part leverage. >> house republicans move to avert a showdown with the president over the debt creeling with the passal of the no budget no, pay bill with bipartisan support. >> on this vote, yeas are 285, nays are 144. >> the measure requires the house and senate by april 15 to each pass a budget framework that balances in ten years. should either shape or fail, the members' paychecks would be delayed. house passed bill suspends enforcement of the federal debt limit until may 19. at which point it increases retroactively, without offsetting the spending cut. >> the premise here is simple. it says that there should be no long-term increase in the
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debt limit, until there is a long-term plan to deal with the fiscal crisis that faces our councilmember. >> house democratic leaders mock the no budget no pay bill as an attempt until the g.o.p. has the bargaining position for budget fights later in the year. >> this is a political effort, simply to increase the negotiating strategy. leverage three months from now. at the expense of jobs in the economy. >> it's a gimmick unworthy of the fiscal and economic challenges that we face. this proposal does not have certainty. it does not have growth. and it does not have my support. >> 33 house conservatives broke ranks with g.o.p. leaders and voted against the bill as insufficiently conservative. 86 house democrats voted for it. after the administration cast republicans as retreating. indicated more than once it would not object to the measure. >> the house republicans made a decision to back away from the kind of bringsmanship that
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was concerning to the markets, concerning to business. very concerning to the american people. >> house republicans have passed budgets during the obama era, the democrat controlled senate has not. but even before the no budget, no pay bill was passed in the house, democrats in the senate agreed to vote on it, too. >> we will proceed to work on the legislation to get it out of here as quickly as we can. >> democrats really think they won the round because the debt ceiling will go up in may. without offsetting spending cuts. republicans counter getting the senate democrats to agree to a budget by april means for the first time in four years congress may be able to show some degree of real fiscal discipline. bret? >> bret: thank you. senate majority leader harry reid hopes to get a deal done soon with republicans over new filibuster rules. they want to require senators to be present when they filibuster. republicans are resisting that. reid hinted he may use the so-called nuclear option to change the rules, with a simple majority of 51 votes
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instead of the usual two-third. the dow continued its momentum, up for a fourth day if a row today. industrial average gained 67. to reach the highest closing value since halloween of 2007. the s&p 500 finished ahead two. the nasdaq increased 10-1/2. we will hear from the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee a bit later. up next, why you are giving a powerful weapon to enemy of a friend. [ male announcer ] ok, here's the way the system works. let's say you pay your guy around 2% to manage your money. that's not much you think. except it's 2% every year. does that make a difference? search "cost of financial advisors" ouch. over time it really adds up. then go to e-trade and find out how much our advice costs. spoiler alert: it's low. really? yes, really. e-trade offers investment advice and guidance from dedicated, professional financial consultants. it's guidance on your terms, not ours. that's how our system works. e-trade. less for us. more for you.
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>> bret: checking international headlines now. prime minister benjamin netanyahu scrambling tonight to form a new government in israel, following the big losses for the laqud party yesterday. new centrist party had a surprisingly strong showing in israel and could force a more earnest push for peace-making with the palestinians. the obama administration is equipping egypt with state-of-the-art weaponry despite the government's open hostility toward israel. shannon bream are telling us what you are spending the equipagess now. >> four american f-16 fighter jets are in egypt as a foreign age pact that some republican lawmakers believe should be
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reconsidered. in light of history of anti-semitic remarks by mohammed morsi. former head of the muslim brotherhood. >> we must not forget to nurse our children and grandchildren on hatred toward the jews. and all those who support them. >> morsi mocked president obama after his 2009 cairo speech. >> he uttered many lives he couldn't have fulfilled a single word even if he were sincere, which he is not. >> the military aid package part of a deal struck with then egyptian president hosni mubarak in 2010 includes 16 f-16 and 200 tanks. some member of congress fear egypt islamist leder could use the weapons against israel. >> i am scared to death, that israelis that i have met as i have been around the country there. people fighting for israel.
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to me is a forward outpost for us, they are going to die because this administration sent weapons to be used against the allies. >> we have been contacting the colleagues in the congress in hopes that that approval will be forthcoming soon. it's needed here. >> late today, the pentagon called egypt a strategic parter in for the u.s. to efforts to stabilize the region. said canceling the f-16 shipment would send a damaging and lasting signal to egypt civilian and military leadership. bret? >> bret: thank you. the white house will move forward with john allen as commanderer of nato forces in europe. he was cleared of any wrongdoing regarding e-mails with a florida woman indirectly linked to scand that cost c.i.a. director david petraeus his job. allen's nomination placed on hold during that investigation.
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>> bret: we told you at the top of the program secretary of state hillary clinton accepted responsibility for the terror attack in libya last september. but still defended herself and the administration's actions. talk about what we heard today with house foreign affairs committee chairman ed royce. chairman, thank you for being here. >> good to be with you. >> bret: first, your thoughts on your committee hearing today. what you heard and didn't hear. >> we got more questions than answers. one of the things i think we really found today was that this attack was unprecedented as they argued. it wasn't that it wasn't unforeseen. three months prior to the attack, there was communication on up the line, in terms of the danger of an
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attack there, there had been two attacks on the failsity. we -- facility. we had a separation, where there was a desperate request for aid and it was not forthcoming. since you deal with al-qaeda franchise fastener the world and an attack in algeria, how do you change the culture of state department when the four people culpable according to the state department are still on the payroll? we learned that today. they are still on the payroll. >> bret: mr. chairman, the thing i heard most today on e-mail and twitter was frustration. they thought there was a lot of speech making and if the a lot of pointed questions. they didn't think the questioning was that great. >> a lot of pointed questions, not a lot answers. >> bret: really, you thought -- >> one thing we are following up with are written questions. the reason we do that is in order to be able to follow up on some of what we heard.
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you can run out the clock. you saw that. >> bret: you are going to run out the clock on secretary clinton's term. >> exactly. that is why we are moving quickly in terms of the additional questions we are submitting. >> bret: if you don't get answers you are looking for would you subpoena here to come back? >> we would. we have would if we didn't get the answers. but the answers frankly, she was under oath today. when you appear before our committee you are. the followup questions will further proceed down the inquiry you heard today. there were a lot of questions today as you probably would acknowledge if you think about the specific ones asked by house republicans. there was a lot of defense on the part of our colleagues on the other side of the aisle. >> bret: you hear what democrats said. you hear that they say this is all political, that this is all about politics. what is the response to that? >> the response is obvious. you had a massive failure here. this is the first time in 35
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years we lost an ambassador. in response, for the questions that we're asking, we are either going to change the culture in the department of state or continue to have problems. i say that, because if you have personnel on ground that have an inability to reach the upper echelon of the state department when they rex plaining that they are watching al-qaeda, that the al-qaeda threat in the, in their presence is growing, that al-qaeda is out on the street marching, that al-qaeda is carrying out attacks, two attacks on the very facility. you still can't manage to reach the upper echelon at the department of state in order to get the assets deployed? when you turn down the department of defense assets that are in theater, because the state department has this culture where they say well, it would be embarrassing. that is the words of state department employees. embarrassing. to accept the help of department of defense.
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in defending that personnel. this makes no rhyme or reason but this is in fact what happened. so yes, we have to force a change in that culture. and that is going to require quite a bit of work. >> bret: mr. chairman, what was surprising to a lot of people the term "video" only came up one anytime questioning. that we saw. -- one time in questioning in the five hours of testimony. here was the answer to the question. whether the anti-islam video played a role. and something she said before. >> i did not say that it was video, that it was about the video for libya. it certainly was for many of the other places where we were watching these disturbances. we have seen rage and violence directed at american embassie embassies, over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. it is hard for the american people to make sense of that, because it is senseless.
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and it is totally unacceptabl unacceptable. the people of egypt, libya, yemen, and tunisia, did not trade the tyranny of a dictator for the tyranny of a mob. >> bret: your thoughts, just seeing the two clips. the last clip is obviously at the, at andrew's when the bodies were coming home. >> yeah, i think obviously that contradicts the reality of what we know. what we all know about this operation. which is that it was al-qaeda. it's, it took the administration what? 14 days during campaign to admit that that was the case? we still have a hard time extracting that admission, don't we. but the reality is in hindsight that everyone can see the evidence now. of an al-qaeda operation that frankly is now expanded all the way to, well, two-third of mals now under the control of the aqim.
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with the very weaponry they took out of libya. with the very shoulder-fired missiles that they took out of the inventory in libya. now they are in algeria. just made an attack on a gas facility. so yes, we are trying to push the information out to american public, as to who really it was behind this attack. i think we have succeeded in debunking that thesis that this had something to do with the video. >> bret: all right. i want to play one more clip. for context here and get your reaction from today and looking back. >> you briefed the president. did you tell him that? or did you tell him which admiral mullen suggests you knew by then that this was a well-planned and executed terrorist attack? which was the president told? >> well, first of all, i said the very next morning that it was an attack by ally armed militants -- by heavily armed
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militants. the president said that morning the act of terror. >> no act of terror will shake the resolve of the great nation, alter the character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. >> mr. president, this morning, you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word "terrorism" in connection with the libya attack. do you believe that this was a terrorist attack? >> it's too early to know exactly how this came about. what group was involved. but obviously, it was an attack on americans. we are going to be working with the libyan government to make sure we bring these folks to justice one way or the other. >> bret: quickly, a lot has been made about this. and democrats say it's all about semantics. what do you say? >> i say the administration did not want to be charged with losing four american, brave americans at the hands of an al-qaeda attack. i think they bent over backwards for two weeks, during the campaign, in order
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to try to deny it. part of that denial was the video they put up front and center, as the excuse, rather than admission al-qaeda was operating in the area, carrying out attacks and al-qaeda attacked our allies such as the british ambassador, attempted to kim. he was trying to kill our own personnel. so, that was in fact, i think, maybe i is up blemnally the information. when it goes in two weeks in the face of the evidence reported nationally in the press, it was a position they couldn't sustain. you still see them trying to rationalize this. >> bret: mr. chairman, to be clear, if you don't get the answers, you are going to subpoena secretary clinton again. >> correct. we want the answers. >> bret: thank you very much for the time. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> bret: the fox all-stars weigh in on secretary clinton's appearance today. when we return, krout krout, williams, hayes after the break -- krauthammer,
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we were misled that there were supposedly protests and something sprang out of that. assault sprang out of that. that was easily ascertained that was not the facts. the american people could have known that within days and they didn't know that. >> with all due respect, the fact is we had four dead americans. was it because of a proit is or because of guys out for a walk that decided they'd go
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kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? it is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again. >> bret: five hours of system from secretary clinton on the attack in benghazi, libya. we have been talking about it on the show. bring in the panel. steve hayes for weekly standard. juan williams, columnist with the hill. syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. charles? >> i thought it was a remarkable exchange. what difference? the difference is between truth and falsehood, and she should be indig nant about somebody who wants to point out the difference is remarkable. administration that in the middle of a campaign is running on the killing of bin laden and running on the spun story that with bin laden dead, al-qaeda in retreat. and simply will not admit with
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two months to go in the campaign, there was a story that contradicted that. they were active and well in north africa. of course it's important. i think she is really good. i have to confess that. by actually going on the attack. she disarms her opponent. as brit hume pointed out earlier,be when you are facing the committees where there is no sequential followups, where half of the members are just making speeches, you can get away with a lot. she was able time and again, to do that time honored trick of saying well, there is still the f.b.i. looking in to this. as long as an inquiry is out there, i can't answer x, y, z. perfect out and the way of appointing the inquiries and commissions is always a way to cover. >> bret: by the way, juan, the a.r.v., the report that looked in to it, with ambassador pickerring and former chairman of the joint
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chiefs mullen did not interview secretary clinton for this massive report that was supposed to look in to every aspect of this case. they did not interview secretary clinton which seemed strange to many of the lawmakers today. let me ask you about this hearing overall and what you thought. your perspective. >> first, let me respond to your point which is that she said it was their decision, that they did not see her as in the line of order. >> bret: i know but don't you think that's weird? >> no. she is the secretary of state. if she said during the testimony the request for added security never came to her desk. she didn't accept it or deny it, she didn't review it. didn't come to her desk. >> she took responsibility -- >> she the secretary of state and should take responsibility but she was not a principal with the line of command for benghazi. that's what the accountability review board wanted to establish. in general, let me say i think charles picked up on a
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critical point, although i don't think it supports his thesis, which is that this is a political hearing. this is a woman, the most popular figure in american politics today. 65% approval rating. backdrop of every question -- >> bret: okay. talk about the substance of the hearing. >> the idea that she is going to run in 2016. when you hear rand paul say i would have fired you. that is what rand paul said. when you hear ron johnson say this is about what was said and not said, fiction or nonfiction, this is about fiction or nonfiction, and i think hillary clinton hit the nail on the head when she said this is about trying to bring people to judgment who committed a crime against america. >> bret: where are the people brought to justice now? >> that is the question. i would have liked to have heard that question, by the way. >> bret: there are many questions i would have liked to have heard. steve? >> just to go in a reverse order. one of the most interesting parts of this exchange was the comment she made at the end when asked about the tucsonian government de -- tunisian
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government to release him, without notifying the u.s. government in advance. asked by representative tom cot top are you distressed that the suspect was released? she answered no, i'm not distressed. i can tell you talking to intelligence officials and others involved in the investigation that there are plenty of people distressed he was released and we didn't have full warning but ansar al-sharia in tunisia did have warning. >> bret: she says that the f.b.i. director mueller told by tunisian he is under surveillance. >> monitored was the word she used. >> bret: but may or may not still be in tunis and seems unclear. >> we wouldn't pressure the tunisian government to allow us access to him because we were worried that the ricketting new tunisian government would collapse if we applied pressure but they are so sophisticated and capable they can monitor this i go we released. also, we monitored guantanamo detainees who have been released. many of them have gone on to
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commit additional acts of terror. the other big question, i think, though, is where was hillary clinton? so she wasn't involved in the talking points and she never received the memos. she didn't want to go out on the sunday shows. what was she doing at this point? that is sort of the key take-away from this entire day. >> bret: let me -- >> five hours of testimony. >> bret: let me play the talking points part. she was asked about the intelligence committee talking points, ambassador susan rice incident about the sunday shows. here is what she said. >> i was not involved in the so-called talking points process. my understanding is it was a typical process trying to get to the best information available. it was intelligence product. >> with all due respect, that is complete and utter nonsense. it was not a typical process. we now have five different stories from administration officials, senior intelligence officials about how the talking points were drafted
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and how they were edited. why al-qaeda, why terrorism was taken out. five different contradictory stories from the administration that have yet to be resolved. interesting thing you have the congressional oversight committee asking for details. they want to see the e-mail and the documents. how is it puppet together. why are the contradictory results. administration said we will not provide you with this information. they are citing the deliberative process. that means they are prepared to invoke -- >> bret: senator mccain addressed this. he had a sound bite about this. listen. >> there are many questions that are unanswered. the answers frankly that you have given this morning are not satisfactory to me. were you and the president made aware of the classified cable from chris stevens said the united states consulate in benghazi could not survive a sustained assault? numerous warnings, including
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personally to me about theere ur unaddressed? >> bret: she said that those didn't get to her. >> that's right. let me quickly add in response to steve that the director of the national intelligence said clearly that the information put out was put out on a tentative basis because they were getting -- >> bret: first, he didn't say it clearly. he put a spokesperson -- >> put his name on it, right? >> spokesperson put out a statement and no one talked on camera about any of this. >> i don't know about camera but said it repeatedly. >> bret: no one said anything repeatedly. >> he said repeatedly that the -- >> clapper? >> yes. not only clapper said it -- >> bret: when? >> the white house backed up that the director of national intelligence, c.i.a. has said it, that this was the intelligence that was presented to rice. >> the word "this" doesn't apply to anything. the versions of it that we're
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talking about that would changes made. we still don't know who made them and why. and what process was. all they say is the intelligence was. that is how she donneled this all day long. >> bret: all right. we will continue the discussion some other moments of interest. when we come back. hey, our salads. [ bop ] [ bop ] [ bop ] you can do that all you want, i don't like v8 juice. [ male announcer ] how about v8 v-fusion.
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is the u.s. involved in transferring of weapons, buying, selling, anyhow transferring weapons to turkey out of libya? >> to turkey? >> i have to take that question to the record. nobody ever raised that with me. >> bret: question continued, any country out of libya. she said she did not know. the questioning going along the lines of what was the operation on the ground. were they moving weapons out of libya to help syria? with the weapons. a number of congressmen tried to go along those lines there have been a number of reports about that, including our own reporting about a shipment that left libya to turkey that we reported on a number of months ago. charles?
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>> well, that is the one area where had she answered or said i can't answer you, i would have given her a pass because there could be operations we don't want anyone to know about. where there might be people exposed. obviously, we're giving weapons one way or the other to the rebels in syria through turkey. come out of libya. if it did, i'm not sure you want to answer that. but there are other questions that we have not asked or she got away with, which is where were the people at the embassy and evacuated? why can't we speak with them? who are they? can you give us names? steve pointed out earlier we have already spoken to the people who came out of the algeria siege, which is just this week. here we are four months after the attack in libya and we can't speak to the witnesses. i'm shocked nobody asked or pursued that. there are lot of questions like that, that were easy to ask. and i'm afraid that the
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members of commerce prefer to ramble on. and certainly didn't ask a very short and direct question like that. >> bret: a number of lawmakers started. they started down the road. there were questions about why weren't f-16s deployed from the air base? they started to ask that. but ended up kind of going on tan jent and really never -- tangent and really never got to that answer. >> they tripped themselves up on the tangents. repeatedly -- in fact, we were talking earlier in the green room, why don't they ask a question and get an answer. the answer is they are afraid that the witness in this case, secretary clinton is going to eat up the time. they each have five minutes. >> bret: from experience, you just stop the person. even in the blue room. >> you can do that. yes. they don't feel that confident. i think it work against their interest. now let me say on the funs issue this is reported not only by fox but elsewhere that there is a possibility of guns being shipped out. but the thing i think she said that made news is the attack
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at the gas complex, in algeria, that there were weapons from libya. tied to muammar gaddafi stockpile. that was interesting and newsy to me. >> bret: steve hayes has more on the topic. good thing is tonight we have "special report" online. so we will take your comments and questions. we'll talk about this as well. as the debt ceiling vote, which got trumped today. leon panetta saying women will be on the front lines. big news day. that is it for panel. stay tuned for a little case of deja vu. excuse me, sir i'm ga have to ask you to power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly.
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